Friday, June 22, 2012

Couldn't Have Said It Better Myself


8 comments:

Erik Johnson Illustrator said...

Theres a reason the "Atop the Fourth Wall" song has that line "Broadsky, you're not the smartest! Liefeld, you're not an artist!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poI5dBNien0

Seriously, there is so much dumb on Rob's resume, its unfathomable.

Kal said...

20 years later and you can't see any development in his work. It's like he just stopped being able to draw. Kirby's stuff all looks the same because HE COULDN'T GET ANY BETTER - for someone who claims to be a student of Kirby like Leifeld does, you think that lesson would have sunk in. Again, another example about what is wrong with DC comics today. Trying to recreate an age (the 90s) with the same creators that make it crappy to begin with is another recipe for fail.

Erik Johnson Illustrator said...

Its funny you should tie Liefeld's 90s work into the DC Reboot. After I read the first seven issues of the Justice League reboot, I immediately dug up copies of "Youngblood" online and read through them just to remind myself that there were much worse comics out there.

Kal said...

But not many worse. They really don't hold up after all these years do they? Once they were the only comics that anyone wanted and it ruined the comic industry in the long run.

Erik Johnson Illustrator said...

With the early Youngblood issues, the problem was the characters just stood around and talked about how they just stood around. Then there were a lot of references to things that we didn't see happen, but were supposedly going to occur in future books via flashback that were never made.

I can tell Rob wanted to create a "universe" of his own, but didn't really have any basics worked out before he started and flew by the seat of his pants when it came to developing it. Probably a result of spreading himself too thin on directing so many of his studios' book. I can believe he was a student of Kirby judging by how often he tried to play "Stan Lee" behind the scenes.

Kal said...

He did some work with Kirby late in his life and I can admire him trying to help Kirby if he would have actually absorbed something from the experience. Have you read any of his Patriot stuff, basically Captain America - or the really horrible Heroes Reborn stuff. Read how he thought Captain America could be FIXED. Good lord, the hubris.

Erik Johnson Illustrator said...

I read a little of his Patriot stuff but it was so long ago I barely remember it.

As for "Reborn" I read the stuff that Jim Lee did on the Fantastic Four which I remember being decent. I read the first Heroes Reborn Avengers issue and all I can remember is a lot of cheesy dialogue that sounded like it was lifted straight from the '60s.

As for Rob and Captain America, I'll always remember that awful pin up were Cap's pecks are three times the size of his head. Ouch.

Industry giants like Kirby, Eisner and Frazetta used exaggerated anatomy to be sure, but it was to emphasis strong heroic upper body strength or sensuously long legs. They knew the rules well enough to know when they could take expectable breaks from reality.

Kal said...

You said it all...there are RULES. Mathematical rules that can be proven with math. You can only trick the human eye and brain so much.